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Interview with Rodrigo Fres谩n (Part I)

As you hopefully already know, for the next two months we’ll be producing a weekly podcast and a series of posts all about Rodrigo Fres谩n’s All grouped under the title “Two Month Review,” this initiative is part book club, part exercise in slow reading, and part opportunity to discuss and expand upon many of the fun and wonderful aspects of Fres谩n’s novel. Over the course of the next two months, we’ll serialize an interview that translator Will Vanderhyden did with Fres谩n. It’s broken up to somewhat align the responses with the section of the book being discussed that week on the podcast, although this is somewhat inexact.

That said, this first section offers up an introduction to Fres谩n’s work as a whole—written by Will Vanderhyden—and includes a few good questions that serve as openings to The Invented Part. We’ve already posted a few quotes from the first section of the book to whet your interest, and later this week there will be a post about the beginnings of Fres谩n’s books. Then, on Thursday, June 1st, the new podcast will be released, covering pages 1-45.

You can find all of the “Two Month Review” posts and podcasts by clicking here. And if you use the code 2MONTH you can get 20% off the book itself. And be sure to weigh in with your comments over at the forum!

Rodrigo Fres谩n was born in Argentina in 1963, spent much of his adolescence in Venezuela, and moved to Barcelona in the late 90s where糖心传媒攁part from a brief stint in the U.S. as an Honorary Writing Fellow at the University of Iowa糖心传媒檚 International Writing Program糖心传媒攈e has lived ever since.

He published his first book of fiction, Historia argentina, in 1991 to great critical and commercial success, making him a reference point in a new generation of Argentinean and Latin American writers eager to escape the typecasts imposed by the global success of the Latin American Boom writers. Since that time, Fres谩n has published nine more books of fiction. His stories have been widely anthologized and his books translated into a variety of languages.

He has also worked as a journalist and columnist, writing prolifically for various publications in Spain, Argentina, and elsewhere. He has translated, edited, annotated, and/or written prologues for the work of numerous writers including John Cheever, Denis Johnson, Carson McCullers, Iris Murdoch, and Roberto Bola帽o.

Fres谩n糖心传媒檚 fiction has been praised by the likes of Jonathan Lethem, John Banville, Enrique Vila-Matas, and Osvaldo Soriano and described as 糖心传媒渟ingular,糖心传媒� 糖心传媒渧irtuosic,糖心传媒� 糖心传媒渋rreverent,糖心传媒� 糖心传媒渃ontagious,糖心传媒� and 糖心传媒渒aleidoscopic.糖心传媒� He has been compared to Thomas Pynchon, Don Delillo, Geoff Dyer, and David Foster Wallace and called a 糖心传媒減op Borges,糖心传媒� a 糖心传媒済enius inventor,糖心传媒� a 糖心传媒済uru of literary trends,糖心传媒� and 糖心传媒渢he only pure postmodern writer in the Spanish language.糖心传媒�

Fres谩n糖心传媒檚 writing is saturated with literary and pop culture references, particularly糖心传媒攖hough by no means exclusively糖心传媒攔eferences to modern and contemporary English-language literature and to global pop culture of the 1960s and 70s. His books are typically sprawling in both form and content, eschewing conventional narrative structures in favor of more open and fragmentary forms and incorporating elements of science fiction, literary and cultural criticism, and rock journalism. His style is characterized by a hyper self-conscious, encyclopedic, and darkly humoristic narrative sensibility and a prose that is simultaneously playful, kinetic, and unabashedly prolix.

Across his expansive body of work, Fres谩n explores myriad subjects (Argentina糖心传媒檚 dirty war and globalism in the 1980s in Historia argentina and Esperanto, religion and pop art in Vidas de santos, Mexican identity in Mantra, Peter Pan and the lysergic 60s in Kensington Gardens, and science fiction and 9/11 in The Bottom of the Sky, for example) invariably linked to his own obsessions and preoccupations糖心传媒攃hildhood, memory, the pitfalls of idealism, great literature, writers糖心传媒� lives, art, and pop culture to name a few糖心传媒攚ith an approach marked by an insatiable curiosity and an irrepressible compulsion to tell stories.

In a way, The Invented Part糖心传媒擣res谩n糖心传媒檚 ninth book of fiction and second to be translated into English糖心传媒攕ubsumes all the books that preceded it. His most overtly autobiographical work to date, this novel糖心传媒攏ow merely the first book in a trilogy whose second volume has already been published in Spanish and whose third is well under way糖心传媒攊s an exploration of the capacious mind and creative process of an aging writer, jaded by readers糖心传媒� tweet-length attention spans and his own struggle to find a way to feel relevant and to keep on writing. That struggle plays out on the page, across seven novella-length sections that, in one way or another, are descriptions of the novel the writer is trying to write. All of it amounts to a novel (Can I call this a novel?) that is quintessentially Fresanian: a carefully orchestrated yet tornadic crescendo of big ideas, leitmotifs, extended metaphors, humorous lists, surreal and satirical set pieces, reflective digressions, story sketches, and 糖心传媒渞eferential mania,糖心传媒� revolving around questions about what it means to live and create art in our globalized, hyper-mediated, and technologized post-millennial world.

Will Vanderhyden: How to begin . . . I suspect that糖心传媒攃onsidering its subject and scope糖心传媒攖his novel contains, in one form or another, the answer (or an answer) to any question I might come up with . . . But setting that suspicion aside for the moment, in the interest of establishing a framework for talking about this book, I think it might be helpful for newcomers to your work to start with some questions about where you think you fit in terms of literary traditions and trends. So, first off: to what extent do you consider yourself an Argentine writer? I know it糖心传媒檚 facile to reduce writers to their nationality, but Argentina糖心传媒檚 literary tradition is a unique one and your work seems both inextricably bound up in it and somehow external to it. What does that tradition mean to you and where do you fit in it?

Rodrigo Fres谩n: I consider myself very Argentine in the sense that I don糖心传媒檛 consider myself Argentine at all. There糖心传媒檚 nothing more Argentine than this, I think. Among the many and exceedingly varied disadvantages of having been born where I was born there is糖心传媒攊f you糖心传媒檙e a writer糖心传媒攐ne great advantage, which Borges describes in his essay 糖心传媒淭he Argentine Writer and Tradition糖心传媒� and which, for me, is something like the trade糖心传媒檚 tables of the law for someone who starts out writing as an Argentine in order to, suddenly, right away, as quickly as possible, turn, Argentineanly, into something else. There he writes: “What is Argentine tradition? I believe that this question poses no problem and can easily be answered. I believe our tradition is the whole of Western culture, and I also believe that we have a right to this tradition, a greater right than that which one of the inhabitants of one or another Western nation may have [. . .] Everything we Argentine writers do felicitously will belong to Argentine tradition, in the same way that the use of Italian subjects belongs to the tradition of England through Chaucer and Shakespeare [. . .] Therefore I repeat that we must not be afraid; we must believe that the universe is our birthright and try out every subject; we cannot confine ourselves to what is Argentine in order to be Argentine because either it is our inevitable destiny to be Argentine, in which case we will be Argentine whatever we do, or being Argentine is a mere affectation, a mask. I believe that if we lose ourselves in the voluntary dream called artistic creation, we will be Argentine and we will be, as well, good and adequate writers.糖心传媒�

And, it seems to me, there糖心传媒檚 nothing more to add . . .

WV: You have described yourself as 糖心传媒渁 reader who writes.糖心传媒� Is that a better way to think about where you fit in terms of Argentine tradition, among writers whose work is grounded less in their nationality and more in their library?

RF: Yes, another very Argentine trait. In way, all the writers I admire and am interested in (the aforementioned Borges, Bioy Casares, Cort谩zar, Piglia, Pauls, Pron, Saccomanno, and on and on) are overflowing with books and writers. I have said it many times in too many interviews: I think that, while other literatures from Latin American and even from Spain have their roots firmly buried in the ground where they take place, Argentine literature糖心传媒檚 roots are buried in the wall and, more concretely, in the wall of the library. The tradition of the Argentine writer is built more on the foundation of the figure of the reader than the figure of the writer. And this seems good to me, because when it comes down to it, to tell the truth, everyone who ends up writing does so because they started out reading. The true homeland of writer is his or her library. And a writer糖心传媒檚 library is also an important part of his or her biography: a liferary. Nabokov said that the only possible biography for a writer would have to pass through the history of his or her style. I agree, but an important part of one糖心传媒檚 style is formed and informed and deformed by the history of one糖心传媒檚 readings.

WV: Continuing in the vein of facile classifications . . . I remember hearing an interview with David Foster Wallace where he responds to a question about whether or not he糖心传媒檚 a realist by saying that he doesn糖心传媒檛 know any writers糖心传媒攅ven so-called postmodernists like himself糖心传媒攚ho don糖心传媒檛 consider themselves realists, in terms of writing about what life really feels like to them. He goes on to say: 糖心传媒淚 mean, a lot of stuff that is capital 糖心传媒楻糖心传媒� realism just seems to me somewhat hokey, because obviously realism is an illusion of realism.糖心传媒� The narrator of The Invented Part, The Writer, seems to have similar ideas, even ironically coining the term 糖心传媒渓ogical irrealism糖心传媒� to contrast his own writing with 糖心传媒渕agical realism.糖心传媒� He says: 糖心传媒淚f magical realism is realism with irreal details, then logical irrealism is its twin opposite: irreality with realistic details . . . And yet, is there anything as irreal as so-called realism? Those stories and novels with dramatic pacing and a perfectly calculated and managed sequence of events. Like Madame Bovary. Or the neat structure and the precise pacing of most detective novels. But reality isn糖心传媒檛 like that. Reality is undisciplined and unpredictable. Real reality is authentically irreal . . . There is more realism and verisimilitude in single day of the free and fluid and conscious drifting of Clarissa Dalloway than in the entire prolix and well-measured life and death of Anna Karenina.糖心传媒� Can you talk about what these various classifications mean to you and how they relate to your work?

RF: I agree with Wallace: there are many realities that are in this one just as there are many worlds that are in this one. Nabokov (a writer I糖心传媒檝e gone back to in recent years, more dazzled than ever), again, is useful when it comes to positioning myself on this issue in an interview: 糖心传媒淩eality is neither the subject nor the object of true art which creates it糖心传媒檚 own special reality having nothing to do with the average 糖心传媒榬eality糖心传媒� perceived by the communal eye. [. . . ] You can get nearer and nearer, so to speak, to reality; but you can never get near enough because reality is an infinite succession of steps, levels of perception, false bottoms, and hence unquenchable, unattainable. You can know more and more about one thing but you can never know everything about one thing: it糖心传媒檚 hopeless. So that we live surrounded by more or less ghostly objects. [. . .] We speak of one thing being like some other thing when what we are really craving to do is to describe something that is like nothing on earth.糖心传媒� And let糖心传媒檚 go a little further: 糖心传媒淭he most we can do when steering a favorite in the best direction, in circumstances not involving injury to others, is to act as a breath of wind and to apply the lightest, the most indirect pressure such as trying to induce a dream that we hope our favorite will recall as prophetic if a likely event does actually happen. On the printed page the words 糖心传媒榣ikely糖心传媒� and 糖心传媒榓ctually糖心传媒� should be italicized too, at least slightly, to indicate a slight breath of wind inclining those characters (in the sense of both signs and personae),糖心传媒� he points out as a sort of editorial advice in Transparent Things. 糖心传媒淚 am no more guilty of imitating 糖心传媒榬eal life糖心传媒� than 糖心传媒榬eal life糖心传媒� is responsible for plagiarizing me,糖心传媒� he explains in the preface to the collected stories Nabokov糖心传媒檚 Dozen. And more, even more Nabokov: that flower plucked by Nabokov, in that interview, as an example of how 糖心传媒渞eality is a very subjective affair糖心传媒� and that 糖心传媒淚 can only define it as a kind of gradual accumulation of information; and as specialization.糖心传媒� That, again, reality is nothing but 糖心传媒渁n infinite succession of steps, levels of perception, false bottoms.糖心传媒� And that, of course, there is a neutral reality that includes and involves all of us; but that, in the next breath, each of us has our own reality and entirely personal perception of that flower. And that there糖心传媒檚 no such thing as 糖心传媒渆veryday reality糖心传媒� which is a term that 糖心传媒減resupposes a situation that is permanently observable, essentially objective, and universally known.糖心传媒� And still more: 糖心传媒溙切拇綐Reality糖心传媒� (one of the few words which means nothing without quotes),糖心传媒� he concludes in the afterword to Lolita.

The thing about 糖心传媒渓ogical irrealism糖心传媒� was just a joke (I hope a good one) to escape from the 糖心传媒渕agical realism糖心传媒� that糖心传媒攚hen I first started to write and publish糖心传媒攅very foreign publisher and academic and critic seemed to be searching for, even though it wasn糖心传媒檛 there, in Argentine literature just because it was Latin American. In any case, Colombian or Chilean or Mexican or Peruvian writers of my generation had it much worse in that sense because their past and present were much more irradiated by their totemic writers and by the luminous shadow of the Boom. In Argentina, we were never that concerned with/interested in the Boom and, besides, all the great writers from my country embraced the fantastic genre as one/another facet of reality.

We’ll be back with more of this interview next week!



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